Expandable Kite Bags for 2009???

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Yes, folks, we are re-designing our kite bags for the 2009 season.

The focus with the new bags will be efficiency in packing, clean lines and proper sizing for your kite’s size. One consideration though is - do people want an expandable bag?

Our office is split. I never leave my struts inflated and think the expansion sleeves are a waste of material, make the bag sloppy and confuse people. Ross loves his expandable sleeves because he is getting older and does not like to pump the kite up more than he has to. Richard just doesn’t use a bag so he is neutral. Kmac and Anto only have eyes for each other, so they cancle each other out.

What does the Crew say? Keep the expansion sleeves or ditch them?

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I understand Kmac’s position Anto. is distracting & I’m older than Ross so once my struts are inflated I like to keep them firm ... Kiting local & being a proud minivan owner I’m a fan of the expandable bag ... Not only is inflation quick but less folding = less wrinkles = less wear ... My kites live in my van & the expanded bag enables them to ‘air’ dry ... Thanks for the chance to speak up O.R. 8)

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Most of the guys around here leave the struts inflated in the winter…. but it would be nice to not have the extra zippers on the bag… I almost always undo the wrong end first. 

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I like the expandable bags - when the kites get wet from surf or rain and get packed away (usually with sand) with the struts inflated the kites dry much faster. During most of the summer days the kites will dry by the time they get packed and i don’t use the expansion zips…all in all i like the bags they way they are. I thought they where well thought out as is.

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NO NO!

Since the invention of splitstrut there is no need to keep the struts pumped up, plus there are still a lot of kiteboarders out there that have smaller transport and need the space.

For the 2009 Bag.

- Bags sized to each kite.
- Bag shaped similar to the way they are now but a bit squarer too, a bit like the North bags. kind of a combination of the existing bag and the pyro drysuit bag.
- A waterproof pocket for keys/phone/mp3 player/emergency condom etc..
- A deep internal pocket to store the bar out of harms way.
- Keep the shoulder straps and top handle as they are as they are excellent features.
- Keep the big chunky plastic zips! they are great!
- If there is some money left over please may we have some sharp styling like that of the 07 diablo and the 07 boards.
- maybe with the left over material, include a complimentary stone/sand bag for weighting a pumped up kite down.


Definately not for the 2009 Bag.

- Not the small satchel style bag a-la slingshot 2005 or Royal 2007, I have nearly given myself a hernia trying to pack my old fuels away in those tiny bags!
- No undersizing of bags a-la naish 05-06-07, people with nash kites always wonder how they are so creased and look worn early! Its because the bags are not long/deep enough and the kite gets crumpled the current OR bags are great as you only fold the kite once through its depth!
- No expandable bag, as it is a complete waste of material/time, storing pumped up kites is so 2004!


Hope this helps big man, as you can see, i dont ask for much!

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With Ben on this one, in the majority. Seen a few kite bags and here’s a few of my thoughts to consider

1. Expandable - not for me, the idea of having struts left inflated isn’t right, OK if you have a huge van or something. Its a pain.

2. Seperate straps / pockets etc. for pump, pump hose, bar, and your valuables.

3. handle / strop for carrying hanging your bag. Caution do a good one. Its basically a piece of rope in a pl;astic sleeve. Tough, clean and cofortable too.

4. Access into the bag. One of the best bags I’ve seen was by a company called Viokite. The whole bag opened up into a flat sheet. Role up your kite, place in the middle and wrap the bag around the kite. Velcro and straps held it all in place. EASY TO GET RID OF THE SAND!!

5. keep the shape and cut of the material simple. Avoid little creases and corners that just simply collect sand!

6. I like stuff sacks. I’ve got 2 from old kites. Great for stuffing your kite inside after a session when its wet and sandy. Useful reminder too to get you ar** in gear and give your kit a clean!


Like Bens idea of a some sand / fixing point. Add a shackle or something to fix your C loop to.

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Silly thought to the extreme. Can you include either as standrad or as a seperate order a system / bag that allows you to pack your kites small and tight for travelling.

Ocean Rodeo Vacuum bags that work with your kite pump!! Dont know if its possibile, silly ideas but you never know!

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how about straps on the side that make it easy to reduce the size of the bag.

you know that type bags soem sleeping bags have

keep the bar on the outside with it only gets in the way when its in the bag.
make them go stack easily so they take up the leasyt amoutn of room.

i don’t keep struts inflated.

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I use the expansion about 5% of the time, and could survive without it.
a simple lash down for a board across the back would be sweet,
and enough expansion for refreshments and meat. 8)


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[quote author=“craig myers”]I use the expansion about 5% of the time, and could survive without it.
a simple lash down for a board across the back would be sweet,
and enough expansion for refreshments and meat. 8)

I miss you big guy! How is it going?

I agree fully, I have never used the expansion bit. I forgot to ask for an extra pocket especially for Craig’s ‘specialist’ reading materials.

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Exactly the same as Ben said:

the current OR bags are great as you only fold the kite once through its depth!

So for me the kitebag does not have to be expandable. I would like a zipper that makes a great u-turn on the frontside of the bag like the f-one bags. That way you can place the kite in the bag and then zip it, instead of sliding it in the bag. Hope you understand what I mean.


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That’s a no for me as well. Also I agree with Ben on pretty much all his requests…especially the different sizes for different kites. Seems like my 12 is a little too stuffed in that bag.

I probably don’t need a “meat pocket” though…

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I like to keep my Anto’s inflated and my Anto expandable.

Okay…that was just weird…Craig, Ben, Emma…someone help me here.


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IMO the expansions should have gone the way of the dodo when we went to single point inflation…...I rarely used them then and I never use them now. They are just a waist of space, and add extra weight and complication to the bag. They are, by far and away the single biggest complaint regarding the bag, from both end users and shop owners - why keep them?

Simple observation is key here…..after some 30 odd sessions at Crissy Field, I have yet to see someone pack there kite into an expandable bag at then end of the day, and we’re talking 20-40 riders here each time.

Perhaps in areas where people are still flying dinosaurs from days gone by you see this…...but not where the goods are state of the art!

My vote is that we make the bag live up to the Rise itself. :D

On another note, if your kite is wet post-sesh it will never dry even if left in the expandable bag anyway….leave it out of the bag and spread it out to dry properly if that’s your concern!

Ben is bang on the money - I say we listen to the man!

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[quote author=“jorrit”]Exactly the same as Ben said:

the current OR bags are great as you only fold the kite once through its depth!

So for me the kitebag does not have to be expandable. I would like a zipper that makes a great u-turn on the frontside of the bag like the f-one bags. That way you can place the kite in the bag and then zip it, instead of sliding it in the bag. Hope you understand what I mean.

Yes, like the newer north bags and the older slingshot diesel bags!

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[quote author=“EvanStolze”]
Ben is bang on the money - I say we listen to the man!

Can I get a WOOP WOOP!

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I’ll give Ben a “WOOP, WOOP”

Something about having inflated struts in a bag and then putting them into a car or somewhere enclosed seems like a case for bladder repair.

I have never used the extension on the bag even with my previous Bronco’s for that reason.  Having a front style “U-turn” zipper like what was suggested by Jorrit sounds like a great idea.  No need to jam the kite in the bag, when you can just place it in through the open space.

An extra pocket for keys, MP3 player or sunglasses what be great as well.

Cheers Justin.

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Sorry guys, I voted YES - keep the expandable bits.  Here’s my rationale: I always wash my kite when I get home, because invariably it gets covered in damp sand when I roll it up at the beach.  So at home, I hose the thing down, and then to get it to dry properly (especially in winter) I put the kite in the garage, standing on the end of struts, unrolled against the wall.

In the summer, it’s not too bad, but everyone knows that the weather sucks in the UK and it’s always cold, foggy and damp, so those sunny days where the kite dries in an hour or so, are few and far between.

Sometimes it’s a bit cramped if I’ve used all 3 in one day.  Especially getting them into the car (I don’t have a pimped up kite van either).

Maybe I’m looking after my kites too much.

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Vpas,

In my experience you are much better off leaving your kites damp with saltwater than rinsing them with fresh, unless you can dry them out completely afterwords….no mold and mildew with saltwater but I’ve had it bigtime with fresh…..SF is cold, damp and foggy for a large part of the year too!

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[quote author=“EvanStolze”]Vpas,

In my experience you are much better off leaving your kites damp with saltwater than rinsing them with fresh, unless you can dry them out completely afterwords….no mold and mildew with saltwater but I’ve had it bigtime with fresh…..SF is cold, damp and foggy for a large part of the year too!

Cheers,

Evan

100% True! I learnt that the hard way, washing off the kites after a session seems to have a more detremental effect than leaving them salty.

Worth rinsing the bar off though but thats a differrent matter.

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Good point Evan.  I had a dunk tank that I filled with tap water a couple of times and it went green with slime in a short space of time.  Now I use rain water, and the slime stays away.  Makes me wonder what we’re drinking!

It’s nice to get the sand off though, to prevent any spilling around the house when I take my kites back indoors where it’s snug and warm for them.

Do you guys air out your kites to dry, or is it a case of - if it didn’t dry at the beach, then it just goes in the bag until next time?

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I never air out my kites, unless I’ve been in fresh water and had to put them away wet because I was in a hurry. If my kites are sandy I used a soft brush to get rid of the loose sand before I bag them. I live and work at the beach but can’t stand sand elsewhere…..

After 8 years I learned a good trick in Mexico this winter. Put your kites aways as a team if you only have sand to pack up on.  Hold the kite in the air upside down, and then open the deflate valve. Quickly move to each end of the kite and the roll to then center - your bro does the same from the other end. The kite never hits the sand!

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We have recently had a big extension built at home and my wife is very pleased with her brand new fitted kitchen complete with under floor heating :idea:

12 hours after leaving a damp sand covered kite on the warm floor tiles is invariably enough to dry it out completely.

Sometimes I’ll take my kit to work with me after a session and leave it in the drying room there.

Either way so long as I sweep up after me I won’t upset ‘her indoors’ or the cleaner for that matter LOL

I voted to do away with the extendable bag although it doesn’t bother me either way in all honesty. 70/30 I’ll fully deflate the kite unless it gets really wet from dunking it in the ocean or from rain water.

Btw. I’ve just had the electricity bill come through :x I dare say from now on I’ll be making more use of the work facilities and buying the wife a pair of fluffy slippers :wink:

I like the design of the 2008 Ozone bag. It’s smart like a rucksack. I think they’re made with thicker material than our bags too. They have a pocket for bar and lines, a key/small ‘essentials’ pocket, compression straps attached for holding a board and a thinner ‘stuff sack’ for extra protection or for when you just want to travel light. How about a little bag to fill with sand/stones so as not to damage our kites :?:

The Ozone bags may be extendable but I haven’t examined one close-up to date.

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let’s be logicale here !


with an expandable bag:

:arrow: someone who like that will be happy
:arrow: someone who actualy don’t like that don’t care because the bag look the same when not expandable.

A non expandable bag:
:arrow: The one who like it non expandlble will be happy ( as much as with the expandable one because it looks the same)
:arrow: The one who like it expandable will be disapointed and might buy an other kite if he doesn’t find it ....


OR would loose more customers with non expandable I think

I travel all around and meet people every where in the world. I kite since 9 years and I see many people really happy with expendable bag !

I don’t speak about me because I don’t care about expandable at all but people do and we build stuff for most people,  we have to do some product adaptable for most people ...

-A kite with different setting giving more or less bar pressure
-A bag expandable or not by unziping
-A bar with line lengh adjustable (with the 3 m extension lines) try to reach as maximum people, a bigger range


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oh and a tanning oil pocket for Jere please.

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It`s always good to hava an option . So a belive the expandable shoud continue.


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if you can have an expandable bag without the zipper would be ideal, perhaps velcro or something down that line, in the summer and the winter when I’m out often I always have the struts inflated, for you lightweight with a 10m as your biggest size no problem, but try pumping the 16m day in and day out, good exercise but still a pain in the ass.  I want to keep it but make it better, I think a duffle type of bag is the way to go.

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I am still having a hard time wrapping my brain around why people deflate their struts every time. I know I don’t deflate my bike tires after every use, or my car tires for that matter. So I would personally vote for expanding, but heres a thought that might get me crucified… make both? Let people pick?

I haven’t ever used a bar bag, for instance, and I hate when that stuff comes with crap I just bought. I think it would be CRAZY cool if you guys offered a bag that you could buy for a bit extra $ that was convertible between a beach bag that carries the kite (struts inflated) the board, a pump, and all the other crap, and then converted to carry scuba fins and a hydration pack that you could ride with (scuba fins? I am not the only deep-sea rider am I?), and then ALSO converted to an awesome “golf” bag for airport use. I would DEFINITELY spend more for that. I already have it all designed in my head. Come on OR! Go big!


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This is a good suggestion. I like it smile

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Not so sure about the scuba fins or hydration pack mind :?:

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No on the expandable bag and no on zippers. They alwyas snag and finally fail. I love the pull cord type closure like on back packs. You can make the opening nice and big, then stuff the rolled up kite in, then pull the draw string tight and it is shut… so simple


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the thing i dont like about my bag is that even though i only have a 10 the bag is huge and i still have to ram it in there yet all my friends on naish etc. manage to get their 10s in tiny backpacks! is that just because im not getting all the air out or becuase its built a lot tougher or both?


an important vote i think that should be taken is ’ should there be a colour option on all kites in 2009 called ‘sexy black’‘

:twisted: do it!

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My kites are never stored in the bag, they are layed out over the back seat of the car and table at home. However I love how easy it is if I choose to use the bag, just one fold and drop it in. I like not having to battle to get it into the bag after unlike some other kite bags.

I was planning on voting “yes,” for those who keep their struts inflated, so that those of us that don’t simply don’t have to use it.  But that adds to the overall cost of production, so we have 90% of people paying for something only 10% will use, screw them :D The 10% can learn to pump up their kites raspberry

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[quote author=“harry.allerston”]

an important vote i think that should be taken is ’ should there be a colour option on all kites in 2009 called ‘sexy black’‘

:twisted: do it!

YES YES YES, just simple black only with the OR logos etc!!!

Next vote on that please!!!

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have look here people for an idea. Its on Page 5

http://www.enrighthome.fsnet.co.uk/Viokite.pdf

Bag opens out flat. put the kite on and wrap the bag around it. No stuffing pushing, sand collecting issues.

Something to build on perhaps

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[quote author=“Benjamin Vine”][quote author=“harry.allerston”]

an important vote i think that should be taken is ’ should there be a colour option on all kites in 2009 called ‘sexy black’‘

:twisted: do it!

YES YES YES, just simple black only with the OR logos etc!!!

Next vote on that please!!!

Ben

take a look at my black type 7 and tell me that doesnt look DAMN GOOD

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Back to kite bags…I don’t usually leave my struts inflated any more and and if I do I just bundle things up in my harness for transport. 

But I agree with Jeremie - why not accommodate everyone? 

I am pretty sure that OR can achieve the goals of ” efficiency in packing, clean lines and proper sizing for your kite’s size”  and still come up with a way for the bag to be expandable. 

Surely the company that brings us the Rise can make a sleek, functional, upgraded bag that meets everyone needs. 
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how about the board straps?

hi I’m new on this forum, still on Naish but interested in getting me some Rises…
I was testing the Rise 8m yesterday, and it’s a great kite. The bag… it looks great, it is grand, I really like the expandable thing and it really lacks a handy way of attaching your board.
Either I miss out on a trick to do it, but on my (flimsy made too narrow) Naish bags I like two things: the bag has two simple straps that go around the board, and it has no zippers (ok only one for the top pocket).
One thing you learn for sure with these Naish bags: how to pack your kite as compact as possible. The first 10 times around you can’t get it in, but after that you are adapted and the problem is gone. A bit like putting on a drysuit and a number of other things.

Another thing about bags: make the pump and bar pockets good for visual inspection, so you can always check if you got everything.


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I’m still with the expandable bag, but has to have no zippers at all, I just repaired my 16m Rise bag the kite been used three times, crazy glued the zipper shut on the expandable end so no inflated struts, getting close in the survey.

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my suggestion that id really like thats on my other bag for a different kite is having board straps at the top and bottom so i can carry my board on my back when walking places.

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Right Harry, exactly my thoughts, this way the board can be carried conveniently without catching too much wind and knocking down other pedestrians.

Since the board is further out it adds some load to the shoulder straps, so they need a bit of reinforcement. Those on the Naish bag typically tear.
At the point where the rail of the board rubs against the straps, some thicker material needs to be used.


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I don’t really care what the bag looks like, so long as it comes with a Sherpa to carry it and pump up the bloody kite.  :twisted:


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How about a draw string on one end & an expandable section on the other end ? I can’t see how folding my kite makes less wear ... What’s the point of having a mini van if you can’t just toss in your expanded kite bags ??? It’s not that I’m lazy, I’m an ‘efficiency expert’ ...  8)

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Hey :!:

Just had a really great idea :!: ...........(well I thought so anyway smile )

In a dilemma at how to pack for an up and coming trip to Portugal at the end of the month what with airline policies on kite gear and weight etc.

Can you design a kite bag that is in the current rucsac style with shoulder straps but that is also equipped with wheels at one end and an extendable handle :?:

Just a thought smile

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I’d post a photo of one of my little guys with his holiday holdall strapped to his back if I knew how to work that damn ‘flikr’ programme :evil:

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I never use the expanders and always open the wrong zipper.

Ditch em.


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being a keel boat racer for a bit we keep our sails in long bags to keep the sails in good shape , a kite kept rolled inflated struts is superoir all around if you have the room, it will last longer and look better ,keep it long


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So what was the decision for the 2009 season :?: Expandable or not :?:  :arrow: Too impatient to wait ‘til next week smile

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I often leave my struts inflated, so here’s 1 vote for the expandable .


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never use the expandable bag, and of the many rise users here (and even ones) I have not seen a bag expanded, not once…ever.
so you get the picture and my vote.

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Keep it.  For the love of god, keep the sleeves.  The idea of kite size specific bags is great.  For those who don’t use the sleeve option, just don’t unzip it, ever.


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No expandable, big enough to put the kite in very easly, with straps to hold a board and stylish!!


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Expandable

I don’t necessarily have a problem with the expandable bags, but I don’t use them.  If it is a day with large wind speed fluctuations, or large (desired) board size changes I may go between two kites, and may keep the struts inflated.  But they sit in my vented truck with little or no travel, so I have never tried to put them in the bag. 

As far as leaving them inflated over night or traveling with them inflated, I consider fluctuations in temperature and elevation too much a of risk to the bladders.

It probably would probably raise the cost of production too much, but it might be cool to give purchasers an on-line option of bag upgrade/choice?

With all the disscussion and ideas here, I think there is a real opportunity for OR to (once again) take and industry lead and provide a more usefull bag.

-I used to have some kite bags that had mesh on the bottom to let out sand and make the bag more breathable if wet.  Kinda cool, but dont’ know how well it really worked, and the sand could just end up in the vehicle or house verses at the beach at that next session.
-I would like a medium sized pocket to keep bar bag, keys, spare parts, line extensions, etc. secure.  The backpack strap compartment is what I use now, but if I want to use the straps, the items are not as secure (I do back rolls even after my kite session is over).
-The idea of a bag that can compress for travel has merrit.
-A little extra space in the bag is nice (as there is now) when hiking to the beach for helmet, gloves, soft cooler.  So don’t make the size by kite to high of tolerance.

Thanks to OR and John Z for asking!

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I use them cause they are there and i have a vehicle that will fit the bag expanable.  Its a luxury in some ways i use and appreciate, but probably would do without.
But its also a waste of space as the bags could and should be way smaller - its easy to pack a cult into its little bag and convenient space wise to have a small packed kite when space is an issue. Not so with the bulky OR bags.

Doesn’t this also really depend on who your target market is - Ross or Ben?


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expandable bag

This is one of the best bag on the market , if you realy want to change it , it should be large enough to make it very easy to fit the kite , so we would not bother to deflate it entirely knowing that it will be easy to fit in the bag.  With a larger bag ,It would also be possible to flatten the bag more to make it fit easier in the roof box. Straps to fix the board and a bottle of water would also be very convenient.

If you ever decide to go with a regular bag , it would be nice to be able to buy a special bag separately , one that would be especially built to leave the strutts filled.Then we would not mind year after year about the bag , just keeping those specials bags for years.


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How about an optional bag that can swallow 2 kites and two boards, pump, harness, everything? Would be great to pack everything in one bag when I go to the beach..


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I voted to keep the bag the way it is, but only because i live right on the beach so have no travelling issues,
One suggestion though if you do away with the expandable bag can we have a decent pump to inflate the kite with!
On my beach its about 50% OR so we are doing a good job of promoting OR, but i dont know a single OR rider that uses an OR pump! the stroke is just way too short, if you try to inflate a 16 mtr kite you miss half the session,
An OR pump should deliver more wind than any other!!!!
Its just not cool walking down the beach with your OR kite and OR board Then having to carry a pump with a teddy bear on it that you got with the kids paddling pool!!

Board straps are a great idea too.


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A larger pump would be such a better idea. I understand why we didn’t ship pumps in the past due to the extra cost involved but with the European warehouse up and running now things might just be different.

As for the bags Danny you must have missed the conversation I had with John on this subject during the crew gathering. There is a ‘guchy’ new bag on it’s way for the ‘09 kites. It will be size specific and will open like a clam. There will be space for bar and lines together with velcro pockets for our bits and pieces such as keys, mobile phone etc. There will be a pocket complete with kite size specific spares enabling the rider to make repairs on the beach so as not to run the risk of spoiling a session.

I hope we’ll see some pictures of it in time though I understand like the new moulded chicken loop it might not be available with the first run of ‘09 kites.

If it’s anything like the new line up of kites, boards and accessories it’ll be just the ticket as far as design thought and quality goes smile

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Lets see the ideas for these new bags then guys!

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