Opinions on buying a used 2008 Rise 12m Kite

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Hello All!

My name is Maury and I am a beginning kitesurfer…this will be my first season!

I took 2 lessons last year from Bill at Captain Kirks San Pedro, CA.

I am 180lbs and an avid surfer & SUP, also wakeboard.

looking at a 12m kite with a few factory repaired holes from a dog, only used about 20 times on two trips with a single rider, lines/bar/bag all in great condition. 

What else should I consider about this kite before purchasing? 

I was thinking about a 10m but maybe the 12 is the best to get me going this season, plus I can pick this kite up at a bargain price.

Thanks for any input.

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Don’t hesitate…go for it dude!
I’ve put 3 times as many sessions on my 08’ 12m and its still rockin strong!
At your weight this could be your lite wind kite with the right board, but still reaches up into the upper 20’s
comfortably.
Sure wish I’d had a kite like this when I was starting out…2 line kites were harsh, no de-power at all!


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Okay, I’m getting it!  I need help now with my board.  I want to just put pads on my Cordell Surfboard 6’1”.  Will this work or are the surboards for Kitesurfing specialized in design for upwind riding etc.??  Also, what about the harnesses, any reccomendations?

What’s my high wind kite, 8m or 10m?

Any other pointers appreciated.

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That surf board sounds perfect.
You could probably ride with your eyes closed right now…am I right?
Pads might not be needed if you are riding strapless…you will find that you are placing your feet all over the board
to find the perfect leverage points to oppose the traction of the kite.
I don’t think you should go out in high winds yet.
Get some flying time under your belt 1st.
High winds are serious stuff…things happen way faster and with way more power.
After you get some experience, then an 8m will fit perfectly with the 12m.
The 10m is a bit too close to the 12m.


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Yeah, I’m getting excited now…Just need the harness so I can hit the beach and fly it.

I have taken 2 lessons with an OR 14M kite in light winds and have flown a trainer for at least 12 hours…in 10-25+ winds on the beach & fields.

So, I have a pretty good feel for things.  Getting used to depower having two functions slowing down in a dive/crossing situation and also speeding up on a rising situation.  Also getting used to the edge of the window and how depower allows the kite to fall back and gain speed…anyway, getting used to it but need to keep practicing.

If I go strapless, how much of a problem will I have loosing my board while learning?  I assume I should not wear my leash?  Any tips when learning on a surfboard?

Thanks!

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Hi Maury,
If you know how to body-drag upwind (superman posture, one hand on the bar and one arm forward, keep the kite at 45°), you should be able to drag to your board in 2 tacks.
Leave your board leash at home, they’re pretty much a no-go for kitesurfing, as they make the board leap at you when you’re pulled out by the power of the kite, and hit you hard - mostly in the head. For twin tip board recovery convenience there’s the Ocean Rodeo Go Joe: http://oceanrodeo.com/kiting/go_joe

Good luck with your new addiction! You might want to mentally prepare that gal kissing you or you’ll wind up chasing her…


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Make sure you get your girl friend hooked at this sport as well, makes holiday destinations and gear shopping no point of discussions..
Regards,
Arjan


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Janus - 21 March 2009 11:59 AM

Make sure you get your girl friend hooked at this sport as well, makes holiday destinations and gear shopping no point of discussions..
Regards,
Arjan

This is without a doubt the best advice ever given to a new rider!!! grin I used to get my way by going “alpha male” on her from time to time and if necesarry use brute force….. My girl nowadays enjoys the sport as well and lets just say she understands me better now grin


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LOL!  I will definitely try to get her going, but, she loves the beaches and travelling.

I am getting the 12m, I couldn’t pass up the deal I got.

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Hey Maury,

We have tons of used kite gear here at Windance, lots of Ocean Rodeo,  if you need anything else check out Used Gear>Kites on our website

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Dave
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Maury it sounds like you’re on your way to total kite boarding addiction, congradulations! Your surfboard should be great but don’t write off twin tips! Having both is optimal for all aspects of the sport. If you love the surf then try the OR Mako Wide. It does all of it very well. Jumping and tricks will only add to your fun in the surf. Living here in the Gorge I can attest to All the great 2008 OR stuff that Windance has in stock at incredible prices. I have an ‘08 12m Rise and love it. If you’re looking to get your girlfriend into the sport an ‘08 8 meter Rise would be a great first kite for her and one you could use on windier days. I have an ‘09 8 meter and it absolutely “rocks”! My beginner advice to you would be to NEVER get complacent about what you are doing, that’s when I have had my worst kitemares! Have fun!
Pete


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Thanks for the advice.  I’ll get back with you Dave for some more advice.  The kite I bought was only $420 with shipping…

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Wow, you found a deal. Did a bar/lines come with it?.


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Yes with lines but no pump (so now I need a pump) in good condition, only used about 20 times on two trips to La ventana and Pueto Vallarta, by him only.  It will be here tomorrow.  I was concerned about the holes, but he assured me that they were factory repaired with kite material and it flies great.  Is this true?  I bid on a 10m that ended up going for I think $580??

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I think you will be fine, they are good kites. Just be careful and respectful of the wind.


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I appreciate it.  What’s max winds speeds for beginners?  I still havn’t felt the tug on a board only body drag and on land.  I was told to try using surfboard from the beginning so I develop the skills vs. twintip.  Not sure how an un-attached board will work jumping over waves or going through surf.

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Learning strapless on a surfboard is not easier. That’s just bad advice. Get a twintip for sure, then progress to a directional board. Also don’t use a leash unless you like getting stitches. Instead learn to bodydrag upwind or best use the OR GoJoe.

On a 12m2 20mph is the limit for you. Call me if you want a good twintip price, I have OR Zens at $399


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Okay, I got the kite today.

Overall in very, very good condition.

Got some feedback and questions

- All materials & LE is perfect….rubber material on LE is all perfect, no scuffs.
- There are actually 3 nicely repaired areas, perfectly stiched with new kite material, largest 2x2inch area…those look good, just need to monitor stitching.
- There are also 2 areas that have a small .5x.5 in. patch on both sides of kite…the corners are peeling a little bit.  Should I trim corners or just leave this? 
- The bar has a small .1 inch slice on it… should I repair this so it doesn’t rip open more and if so, how?

All else looks perfect.  No pump was included so I pumped it up with an air compressor on low pressure setting.  Everything looks good and air is holding.

I’m going to measure out the lines tomorrow.

Now I just need a harness to go out and fly this bad boy over the weekend.

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Great Maury, good to inspect the kite closely like that. Also have a good look at the bridle lines, especially the E2 line (short piece of thicker line where the pulley runs). If it’s fluffy and you can feel a decreased diameter, you should go about replacing this, it’s Spectra line. Also check the pulleys, for axial play, it should run smooth and all. Same for the trim loop, that’s the double line running through the bar, check for fluffiness.
The padding on the bar can be repaired with contact glue.

Be careful when flying it on land!


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Bridle lines looking good also…some wear but doesn’t look to be too bad.  I need to find that contact glue….I’ll look around.  Thanks!

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contact glue, neoprene cement, or the shoe repair glue (dunno any Northern American brands to recommend, anybody)


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http://www.valsurf.com/product.php?productid=18920&cat=0&page=1

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http://www.valsurf.com/product.php?productid=16137&cat=0&page=1

Just ran the lines out…these lines look perfect…still waxed and shiny. 

The bridle lines are a bit worn, but still lots of life left in them.

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Maury,

Looks like you’ve gotten some good advice so far. As an instructor and east coast OR rider, I thought I’d throw in my 2 cents. First, congrats on getting on awesome deal on one of the best kites out there. Second, I agree with what was posted earlier about the board issue. Find yourself a nice twin tip board to learn on. You’ll want one for flat water riding anyways. A 140-150 cm x 40-46 cm board would be about right for someone your size and skill level. The 150 cm Mako wide fits that bill nicely. Adding a 8m Rise later on is also a good idea. I’d stay away from a smaller kite, the surfboard, and higher winds until you can proficiently fly your current kite, ride up wind both directions, and safely self rescue.

That’s all I’ve got for now. Enjoy your new kite and welcome to the crew. Oh yeah, definitely get your girlfriend into kiting, just don’t teach her yourself.

Aloha,
Jeff

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Jeff,

Thanks for the confirmations and advice. 

How about this board:  Wipika 147 twin in our used gear section. See it at http://www.windance.com/146-cm-wipika-edge-c-1239-p-1-pr-2476.html
The price is only $72.90!. It’s well used but has lots of life left in it.

I found an instructor on the local Craiglist http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/spo/1067855956.html  He has 10 yrs. experience and finalist in European Championships.  Teaches here at Belmont Shores…the beginner beach.  He has equipment that I can use.  He has instructor experience but not sure if he is IKO or other certified?  What more should I ask him?  He claims to have taught over 20 people and has a picture of a lady on his page.

He has gear fro me to use, so I don’t have to rush purchasing.  At $25 per hour, I think I’ll take at least 9hrs. of lessons to make sure I’m safe and proficient.  My son is going to learn with me, should be fun.  Trying to get my daughter to learn also.

Is it recommended to take continued lessons?  When I spoke to this instructor, me mentioned being able to help me quickly fix mistakes.  He also said he can help me get surfing quickly and fix common mistakes.  Sounded good on the phone.

I just cannot afford the $200 for 3hr. plans…I did 2 of these lessons, but cannot pay that rate right now.  Want to get my two people going and all gear for 2 people.

I did learn quite a bit from Bill at Captain Kirks and we worked all the way up to body dragging.

Any input is appreciated and my main goal is being safe and secondly, economical

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Maury,

That’s a pretty old and narrow board. Not sure what you can afford, but I’d stick with something newer than 2004.

$25.00 an hour is pretty cheap for lessons. I have no idea about that particular instructors level of riding experience or instructional ability, so I can’t comment on what type of instruction you’d get from him. If you and your son are of substantially different weights I wouldn’t put you in the same class. When looking for an instructor consider teaching experience, type of certification PASA, IKO, or none, the teaching area, condition of the instructors gear, etc.

We teach beginner, intermediate, and advanced lessons out here. Taking more lessons throughout the late beginner to intermediate portions of your learning curve is definitely helpful, but not necessary. If your still body dragging, I’d recommend taking at least another water lesson. As an instructor, I would want you to be proficient with body dragging, riding downwind both directions, and self recovery before sending you out to practice on your own.

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Thanks for your input you guys!
I was going to just throw him on a surfboard and hope for the best!

I am not an instructor and I was self taught back in 2000, thank you again!