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New to the forum, but not to the OR products which BTW are OUTSTANDING….....

Just wanted to say hello and let you know I’m starting… well at least designing a Mako Woodie currently. I’m thinking 145 x 40cm using Northwest woods with a very thin closed-cell foam core.

This is the idea?
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John B

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John!

I am so excited by this idea and am very glad to have you online here and on our products in general.

Please be sure to keep us all posted here of your developments, I am sure we’d all love to see the progress you make!

JZ


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YES YES YES!!!  It’s gorgeous—and I bet it will be pretty light and have great flex. I want one!


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Hi John, Great idea, that would look soo sexy!
BTW I don’t want to be messing with your design, but why don’t you try 145x42, basically a scaled up 140*40, just for some extra low end and drive…
Anyway, looking forward to the results.
regards,
Rudo


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There’s a guy / shop in Cantabria (Northern Spain) who is using balsa wood to make sustainable surfboards.  Looks like an interesting project.  http://www.kuntiqi.com/

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I have ridden John’s (Kitesail) Woodie Surfboards here in the Gorge and they ride so much nicer than epoxy surfboards. His workmanship is truly an artform! I love my Mako 150 Wide and would love one in a similer size. Sign me up for a Woodie Mako!!

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Hey thanks for the link! That is awesome, gotta love woodworking such a good vibe.

Design stages are nearing completion, need to locate inserts and fin placement.
Thinking about a (3-fin option at both ends) so you can ride with 2-small outside fins or the center fin; or combination of all three one or both sides.

I believe for 2010 OR is going to have different size center fins available.

woodworker,
John

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In order to give the Crew a sense that John B knows what he’s doing and to build your anticipation of seeing this project completed please take a look at this link to see the effort and result of John’s last project, a hollow wooden kite surf board.

John’s got the skills to pull this off and we will be eagerly following his every move!

John Z - OR


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OK,,
It’s underway. Templates (stringer & partitions). I’ve quite a few pics, but will post more elsewhere.
John

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And more…..

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Fantastic stuff!


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El Rudo -
I looked at the template (145 x 42) side by side with the 145 x 40, the 42cm just seemed a bit too wide, tho it might be great for a low-wind board and a lighter person. (so many combo’s would work well) smile
*Pictures show the bottom*

The top deck is currently being applied.
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If it rides as good as it looks, there’ll be lots of stoked people!

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vpas -
I’m totally confident it will be a “sweet ride”; afterall the Mako is the board of choice for a lot of people. 

More progress,
woodnut,
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Sometimes you get ah-ha’s as you go along. I got one of those today while planning the tips of the board. It seems that this board is going to have some flex at the tips which should be good due to the thinness. cool smile

All glued and ready for sanding, shaping up real nice grin
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That looks friggen sweet! What glue are you using to bond the strips? and did you end up going with sandwiched foam?

Wullis

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Or did you just used PU glue to glue the strips and have the excess foam from the glue be the foam core?


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Hi Wullis -
Thanks, I use Gorilla Glue it’s a PU type glue which is compatible with some types of foam, very good with wood and epoxy resins.

Ready now for a hot coat of Epoxy!
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Wauw!, that’s looking great.
Can’t wait for the pic’s with the epoxy, the wood will come to life with great color’s!
Do you only use epoxy or also a layer fiberglas?
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Arjan


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Hi John,
Great work, looks beautifull! I would love to see it in person and try it out in the water…
Can you allready tell what will be the final weight of the board (without straps, pads, fins)?
Do you have any experience how strong this type of construction is compared to other type of TT boards? Will it take the beating of hard lendings? I know it is proven to work well with surfboards, but havent heard of anyone building a TT like that.
Greetings,
Jaros


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Wow John, that’s coming along great! I bet you can build a great guitar too!


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Janus -
I use epoxy to coat the bare wood, then I have a glassing schedule using 4oz warp E-glass. (finshed off by another hot coat)

jaroskiter -
Yeah I will be able to figure that for sure; maybe in another day or so.

El Rudo -
Yes, guitar playing my other passion!  I’ve yet to build an acoustic; mainly because I’m a lefty rolleyes tho I own a Taylor.

First hot coat on the bottom. BLING
and the top…..BLING,BLING
John

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Thats gona be a real nice board John.


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John, this is incredible. I note that it is different from “Bella” in that it is not hollow… but just a compilation of strips of wood. Are you not concerned that it will break easily? Will you jump it?

She’s a beauty for sure!


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JZ -
thanks!
It is the hollow construction; meaning it does have a stringer and partitions sandwitched between wood strips.
It also does have a closed-cell foam core, so for sure a solid construction. Jumping is “most definite” with this board.

I just haven’t shown all the “trade secrets.”

I weighed it today and it’s real close to the production Mako’s (blanks only w/o pads & straps, a few oz.‘s difference) so needless to say I am happy so far.

regards,
John


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That is a piece of art!

It inspires me to get a workshop and start building although something tells me it wont be quite that simple.

Ben

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I got to “fondle” the new Mako Woodie the other day and it is beautiful! Almost too nice to take out on the brutal Columbia! I hope to get a ride on it soon and compare it to the Mako 150 I’ve been riding for 2 years, which I can’t say enough good things about. Another true work of art from you John, congradulations!


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John,

Truly beautiful work. I wish I had skills like that.


Please forgive my gatecrashing in here with personal Q’s

I recently finished a super light wind cruiser (165 x 58) round nose and flat tail with about 30mm concave and 50mm nose rocker .

It’s as weird as it sounds!

It was done with two 4mm pieces of ply glued for the shape with some left over carbon to stiffen stregthen. Heavy enough.

Do you (or others here) think i could achieve a mako wide (150x50) inspired board with the above technique (I was thinking to try 3mm this time (same number of plies) and a little more carbon (only on the bottom and not wrapped)? I note that the concave increases stifness measurably, hence the 3mm idea.

Is 50cm too wide for the 150 length ( i see the King is still only 45cm for 165!!) is the some magic to thi formula?

I know it will be heavy but I am just not confident enough to invest lots of time and $ not achieve a result.

Thanks in advance (to all) for any input.

Mike


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Hey Mike –
Anything goes; but some outlines and rockers work better than others. 50cm may be a bit on the wide side but hey so are skimboards. Skimboards work surprisingly well in light winds given the short length.

I like to maximize the upwind, carving and speed aspects, and thus my outlines and rockers are designed for this. I believe Ocean Rodeo takes this into account and that maybe why the King is 45cm and not wider.

I’ve been on vacation and now am back at it. Should be on the water real soon and can’t wait to try all the fins options.

Picture shows the top being glassed.
John

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John,

Thanks for the reply. I relly love that borard of yours.

As to the constuction method do you think ply can create somthing ridable and durable.

Had a really nice 2 hours session yesterday on the big kite and monster board. Very souly. Gets hairy as the wind picks up.

Thanks again for your comments

Mike


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Well she’s done cool smile
Just have to sort the fins out and strap it up!
Next pic’s should be on the water.
regards,
John

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Yahoo! How ‘bout tomorrow? Looks great, bet she’s gonna’ be so sweet on the water!!!
Pete


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Yeah Pete,
Gotta test this puppy.

Finished…...just waiting on some surf-dog fins, tho when the OR surf fins are available that will be great!

John

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Great job, it looks awesome !
congratulation !!


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that stance looks REALLY short?

board looks REALLY pretty though!

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Jeremie -
Thanks so much!

Harry -
boy, some people see everything grin  I’m actually not too tall, ha….there is still room to move the stance outward.

We have wind today, so hopefully some pictures soon.

regards,
John

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We want to see pictures of this board on the water mate !

Good job !
Great pictures along the process .

Come in Brazil and u will buil the best sliders and kickers ever wink !!

cheers
Jeremie


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The work is done now play time!

Such a sweeetridddde…....................... tongue rolleye Nice and lofty in the air, super smooth on the water.

6m Rise & Wooden Mako. (Pete was on a 8m Rise)

My buddy Pete took her out for a spin too.

John

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More…....

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My buddy Pete…....

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Absolutely beautiful!  In the air and slicing through the water.  Great work!

Now please make some more! cool smile


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John…. that is called a twin tip right? LOL! You’ve been busy since I saw you last…... nice board as usual… but turning without gybing or tacking, that’s just wrong! See ya soon, Steve B wink


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I got to test ride the new “Mako Woodie” and is she ever sweet!! Smoothest riding board I’ve ever been on and I have 2 season’s riding the Mako 150! It’s like riding on a surface of teflon. Edging is positive and upwind is no problem. Transitions effortlessly. Can’t wait to try the different fin set up’s that John has available. (Waiting for their arrival.) Yeah, what a bummer not having to tack or jibe….but carve all day long and can’t stop smiling!! Great job John! Wait ‘till you see what he’s doing next guys!
Pete


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John this is awesome!

I came on here cos I have exactly the same idea in mind - I’m amazed how positive the response from OR has been - well done guys - thats a top class attitude!

I got switched on to this board by Tungsten over on losethestraps.com who has done something very similar.  I’m using AKUShaper to pull the stringer, rails, deck & rocker together…

I’ve built a couple of bamboo kiteboards in the past and am looking to make a Mako using a bamboo hybrid foam core construction which will be similar (but different) to my previous builds.

Check out the other boards I’ve made on my website - http://www.mustbemad.com

I wanted to ask folks on here though what size to go for?

I’m about 6’ and ~70Kg (sorry - mixing my drinks there!)

My usual ride is a TB Haura 135 x 38 - snowbaod construction, lots of flex, can be set up as a semi directional with the straps offset to the back, 3 fins to the stern & 1 in the middle on the front - sweet carver.  http://www.tbkiteboarding.com/en/index.php

My main question is one of size - should I go 140 ish or 150 ish for a Mako - what do guys on here think?

Cheers - Foilman


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John… I fallowed this thread a while back in it was very inspiring so I started researching how to build hallow surf boards. Now that I have a few under my belt I just stared a hallow Mako King, similar to the board you built. Here are some pictures of the boards. I also have posted templates on my website… MahaloBoards.com for anyone to download. The ride of these boards is truly amazing! More float and nice drive. Can’t wait to finish the Mako and get it on the water. I’m still learning but I’m so hooked on kiteboarding!!! I started with a couple Best kites a couple years ago but now have an OR 14m Rise and the difference is amazing. I wish I’d started with this kite… I probably would have figured it out a little sooner.


~ Aaron


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Aaron, welcome to the Crew! Thanks for sharing these with us too! I am sure John B will be stoked to see that his project has inspired your own efforts!

It’s super cool for us (here at OR) to see that the Mako board has motivated you guys to make your own wooden versions… it is a very inspired and popular board shape and we certainly think it’s cool that you guys are willing to put the time and effort into making your own versions of it.

Hope to see you on the water sometime somewhere!

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Hollow wooden Mako update… Almost ready for the water! Final sanding and clear coat finish remain.

Top deck attached to frame:




Ready for cork rails:




Glassing:



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Beautiful stuff!!!!

Ingrommet, maybe I missed it, but did you say what the rails of this board are laminated up from? What material are the fin ‘hardpoints’?

You guys are KEELLING ME with these gorgeous decks! DAVE

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BIG AK… the rails are hallow and built up with 1/8” cork strips then shaped. There is also cork between the decks at the fin ‘hardpoints’ and the holes for the fins are drilled oversize then filled with epoxy and re-drilled at the proper diameter.

These hallow boards we’re building are glassed inside and out using 4oz s-glass making them stronger than conventional surf/kiteboards. Haven’t sold one yet… too busy making boards for ourselves or friends while experimenting and refining the build process. They actually go together rather quickly believe it or not. Check out the website… MahaloBoards.com


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Thanks, Ingrommet. A friend in Hawaii built me a balsa-skinned hi-perf. longboard and I’ve always had a love for the look of wood….even “falsa”, remember that effect?

Anyway, you guys have some NICE and desirable sticks. DAVE

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Wow. How beautiful it is. The wood look very good for riding in sea track,

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Can’t believe I’m just noticing this thread now. Incredible art guys!

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Another Hollow Mako Woodie!

A work in progress right now but should be done next month and put up for auction on Ebay. I will keep you all posted and let you know once the auction starts!

~ Mahalo!


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Work of Art!!

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he john, looks real nice what you made!!

go on like this!!!

Greets Peter